The Signs of Autism and Options with Grace Therapy Center

About This Episode

Business Owner of Grace Therapy Center Katie Jenkins sits down with Local leaders: The Podcast host Jim Chapman to discuss the signs of Autism as well as the many options Grace Therapy makes available to parents. A must-watch episode!

About Grace Therapy Center

Grace Therapy Center is a school and treatment center for students with learning disabilities, ADHD, autism spectrum disorders, and other challenges. The company’s mission is to provide individualized therapeutic education so that every student can achieve success. Grace uses data from each student’s therapy sessions to create personalized programs, as well as frequent communication between the family and therapists about progress.

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denham fit body boot camp a proud sponsor of local leaders the podcast hey welcome to another edition of local leaders the podcast and today we have miss katie jenkins from grace therapy center with us she’s going to tell us all about her business so first of all welcome to local leaders yeah thanks for having me i’m super excited to be here we are as well uh your business is one that we love to feature on this show because it requires a little bit of understanding from people so they can kind of grasp exactly what it is what you do so we’re going to talk all about that all about the amazing services you offer at grace therapy but first we’ll we’re going to tell people a little bit more about you you’re uh you’re married i am married and you have a couple kids two kids five and six kids apples of your eye i’m sure sure yes yes and i uh i sent out your questionnaire and i kinda gotta chuckle because i asked you what your hobbies were much like most business people you were like i love to read um no other hobbies other than being a business owner right hobbies kind of you know you ain’t fishing every friday not right now i used to love gyms and triathlons and yeah oh that takes so much time at this point that’s right but you’ll come back later that’s it that’s right you got to build it now professionally you are the owner of grace therapy center which for those people that may or may not be familiar it’s on barons or foreman in baton rouge uh uh kind of by a woman’s hospital is it is it around that far um right by computer dairy okay yeah yeah okay everybody knows where that is uh and your official title there is a board certified behavioral analyst and i practiced that about 20 times because i kept wanting to say behavior is behavior’s right oh it is so it’s not behavioral okay i was right the first time that ever happens behavior analyst and there’s actually an acronym for that what is that a bcba yeah it was funny because when you and i were talking originally you were using a lot of the acronyms and i didn’t know what the acronyms went so you were like aba and i was like what is that yeah so we’re going to explain all of that to people as well now first i want to cover what led you kind of into choosing this field because it’s kind of an interesting story so give us the breakdown of how you eventually became a behavior analyst sure so um in college i had a few jobs and one of them included working with a child with special needs um and so i was kind of like a caregiver nanny type of role and then i also worked on like at a country club you know just um waiting tables and so kind of trying to meet people and different things like that and so i ended up meeting a couple who their daughter was opening a therapy clinic and they said hey you like kids maybe you should work here yeah and so oh my god in touch with her that is the main qualification right you kind of like kids exactly definitely um so then that kind of moved on from there and i fell in love with it went to my um graduate got my master’s in behavior analysis and took my board exams and here i am and here you are and uh you know a lot of people out there they may not be familiar with exactly what a behavior analyst is so let’s kind of start with that kind of explain exactly what they do and all those sorts of things sure so um aba i guess we’ll start there maybe with what applied behavior analysis is um it’s basically a way of teaching it’s a science so everything is data based but we take big large goals break them down into small achievable goals that’s really the overall picture of ava so aba is used in big companies it’s used for kids with autism honestly it’s used for dogs and dog training and animal training that’s interesting so um yeah it really it has to do with the science of human behavior the science of animal behavior and so it just happens to work for everyone but it’s been research based and proven to work with kids with autism and other kind of learning differences interesting and how long has it been has that science been studied been around for a really long time however i wouldn’t say we want to attribute everything to way back in the day because i mean it started with shock therapy and things that people are kind of scared of yeah obviously for obvious reasons no but i mean i always encourage people who are looking in aba to be careful what they google because yeah you’ll find people who are still really against aba and the old school approaches to that and that’s just not what we do now and so um i think it’s part of my job to like um you know train and educate people on how we actually teach and what that really looks like in the day-to-day environment yeah and i’m glad we brought that up because you don’t want that misconception out there and and uh things have really come a long way over the last hundred years and yeah in pretty much every medical field for sure so yeah i mean science is moving and i mean also what’s happening now is people are that were diagnosed as children with autism are growing up and they have an opinion and a say about the therapies they received and so that’s kind of a shift in um aba as well that’s a great point you primarily offer care to kids with autism or special needs that are similar maybe to autism okay i want to look at this from a parent’s perspective so um a parent has a child i’ll give you a scenario and uh you know maybe they noticed some things about their child that are different um of course as a parent that’s something that’s kind of hard to accept right it’s uh we’re all parents you know you uh once they notice that uh what would be kind of the next step for them you know i would imagine they would have to go to someone and and get a referral for your services is that how that works or would they go directly to you no so if you notice something um that’s not quite right or maybe they’re not meeting a developmental milestone um typically either a pediatrician notices or they’ll do a checkup at 18 months where they fill out kind of a screening some parents notice it before that point they can bring it up to their pediatrician but you can also get an evaluation from like a developmental psychologist from a neurologist there’s a couple in the area developmental pediatricians and you can kind of go that route even psychologists pediatric psychologists can also diagnose so you could go and get a diagnosis from them and then um you have to have a diagnosis of autism for insurance to cover in louisiana gotcha gotcha very very good yeah which is important i mean you know uh obviously you want insurance to cover it if at all possible um now what would be some of the you know i don’t know if there’s signs the parents would look for yeah um basically if you’re looking at a child um i mean i’ve heard talk to parents who’s six months old and up you’re looking for like lack of eye contact um lack of commu like um joint attention so if i’m pointing to something are they following my point are they following my gaze are they looking to be held attended to are they asking for your attention those kind of things a lot of times what comes up with autism is a speech delay so if your child is two two and a half and still doesn’t have those words um that can be also a piece of it or any kind of rigidity and behavior so if you notice that every time we go to the grocery store we have to walk the certain aisles or he has to wear a certain shirt or she has to everything has to be exactly a certain way and you kind of find yourself as a parent really tiptoeing around a lot of issues um i would just recommend going and getting an evaluation that’s a great point and autism for uh for those of us that are not in your field and do this kind of every day uh one thing i do know is it’s kind of a vast term so there’s there’s several different forms of would ocd be considered a form of it um no but ocd is also what we would call um it’s often a comorbidity so it sounds horrible but it’s really just two diagnoses that typically go together so adhd and autism are are often together um ocd and autism you’ll see those odd sometimes you’ll see an od oppositional defiant disorder okay so sometimes kids get this if they are um really impulsive different things like that but don’t quite fit the diagnosing parameters for asd they can get an odd diagnosis yeah so there’s a lot of things that you’ll see together um but they don’t necessarily fall on the spectrum now asperger’s would be on that spectrum and asperger’s explain what so typically i think they’re calling that now a level three autism is typically what they’re calling it they have level one two and three and it’s based on the amount of support that you need um to do your day-to-day environment to live your life yeah and so a level three now i think is the you would need the least support so i think they’re calling that an autism i mean an asperger’s type diagnosis got you and and what is asperger’s for those of you asperger’s um sometimes can be you know like people watch movies and they’re like oh autism is rain man asperger’s rain man really and that’s such a small percent of the population of autism and i think it’s important that people know that obviously everything you’re seeing in the movies is not exactly um what people are actually living or the it doesn’t really reflect what’s going on yeah but that would fall into there um really a lot of kids that have a lot of language but maybe what we would call scripting so they watch a movie or a tv show they apply that to their life um so like they may just script it later in the day maybe a scene from mickey mouse and now they’re using it you know to get on the bus or different things like that um so a lot of repetitive language and also um really really really smart so a lot of these kids with asperger’s have high iqs in certain areas but may lack in other skills that you know are needed to get to their day oh that’s interesting yeah like i said it’s not an easy cut off from one two and three right there a lot of kids i see who have real high um skills in math or reading or um just science or even language but then they’re really low on some social skills or you know just actually looking at people and interacting with their peers or sharing those kind of things that’s a great point and it so one thing you know i hope that parents really grasp and understand is don’t assume that this means they’re not smart or that they can’t learn like you said a lot of these kids have extremely high iqs and could probably do you know triple calculus or something and something that’s really really important is um i think where we’re at in 2021 almost 2022 we can be looking at hey everybody learns differently um so what does this look like for a child that has a label of you know autism for me it’s hey it’s access to services to teach them in a way that they can learn and so a lot of people miss out on this option as a service because they don’t necessarily have that label you know people are really scared or afraid to get their child diagnosed because they don’t want to follow them through life and to be this really big hindrance but you don’t have to make it that way you know it doesn’t have to be something that you flaunt or even do it like it can just be an access to way to get them to have services to then move just move forward i see the importance and the value in what you do and and i from a parent’s perspective i understand that you want your child to be perfect and it doesn’t mean they’re not perfect it just means they’re learning differently and they require a different form of learning right absolutely it’s important to mention that you have been working for with children for a long time tell us about your kind of your experience uh how far it goes back in the field of aba and then even before that working with kids sure so um i’ve babysat i think babysitting was my first job around kids forever um and then when i was 13 my parents had another kid so then i was around a baby at 13 you know so i just kind of lived that i always having little kids around um then i taught swim lessons for a little boy with cerebral palsy um which was a big point it was a big point yeah and i just kind of figured out that like i love all kids but i really love kids that need a little extra something you know i don’t know what it is and i know there’s a lot of people that feel that way too like sometimes kids that are typical including my own annoy me just a little bit more because i’m like hey you know how to do this and you’re choosing not to so you don’t really have an excuse right um and so you know it’s just it’s kind of a big passion of mine and then for the last 12 years i’ve been doing aba um i started as a line therapist moved up got my masters and then became a bcba so fantastic and you’re living your dream right now right yeah you know some people just fall right into their field and it seems like you did you can tell how much you love kids and working with kids and making a difference which is what you’re really doing uh now it’s interesting with grace therapy center that you offer a lot of a lot of services um obviously the first one that stands out and the first one that i want you to kind of kind of tell everybody about and will unpack is uh the the uh working with the kids uh after you they get that referral so that’s like our one-to-one what we would call our comprehensive services so um this is for children who get a diagnosis and maybe don’t meet prerequisites to go into a classroom environment so we’re talking a lot of conditioning so people think oh like pavlov or like and yeah it’s exactly like that you know operant conditioning and um what does that look like that looks like maybe a kid doesn’t look at you in the face because they don’t know that faces are important yes um maybe a kid doesn’t listen to a voice because they don’t know that voices are reinforcing or that they aren’t reinforced by their behavior is not reinforced by voice yeah and so some of that if you miss out on that as a baby which is when those things happen then you have to really um teach them as they get a little bit older so for us that looks like looking in our face sometimes we put stickers all over our faces of their cape so yesterday we had cocoa melon stickers all over our faces just trying to get the kids to look and it really does work and so then that whole time we’re providing a lot of praise and a lot of reinforcers sometimes some cotton candy um you know just just to say like hey looking at a face is really important it’s how you learn to talk it’s how you learn facial expressions it’s how you learn empathy exactly and so you know people talk about eye contact that’s not really what it’s about it’s really about are you looking at faces yeah and i mean we do the same thing through like i said voices i mean if your child may be struggling with speech you need to look at are they even listening to people when they talk in general and if so if not then they’re definitely not ready for a classroom because teachers don’t look you straight in the eye and teach to one kid right right they’re teaching to the 90 percent and you better catch it and that’s that’s just how that’s set up but if your child is not ready for that then you really got to look at you know why not and how do we get them there yeah and and i’m glad you brought up teachers and you know they’re they’re kind of like the other side of what you do in the fact that hopefully you know are teachers active about maybe communicating with parents in some cases and saying you know it seems like maybe they’re struggling a little bit with yeah i think this is a really sticky point i work with a lot of preschool teachers including um a lot with grace uh life preschool we’re really close with them obviously we share a building with them and so we do a ton of teacher training i’m in and out of those classrooms observing and really walking teachers through like hey it could be scary to tell a parent you know hey i’m seeing this or i’m not seeing this but um we’re really working them like hey we’re here to support we can provide a support option and so it doesn’t feel quite as scary because it’s like hey we have answers it’s not good luck go out into the community and hopefully your kid finds a spot yeah you know so um i think that by equipping people to feel like hey they have answers hey you’re not the bearer of bad news it may feel like that but you’re really doing them a huge favor yeah a hundred percent and you know it it is it’s a it’s touchy because we’ve all you know had kids that were at that age and and uh someone tells you anything that that you would take as a negative comment it’s like don’t be uh oh you’re trying to say my kid’s different oh no that’s not gonna happen anymore you get very defensive right and uh and so it from a parent’s perspective it’s important to kind of just take that information in and then research it and and and see if it’s something you need to pursue right and because there are options out there that’s the whole point of this podcast is to show you that there are options out there you know of people that love to do this they’re trained in this many many years and grace therapy center is one of those places yeah and i think it’s it’s interesting too because sometimes it’s about bridging the gap between that one-to-one comprehensive service and a classroom setting yeah so when you look at one-to-one comprehensive um like we were talking about a few minutes ago a lot of that is is all the prereqs the language development really getting them to be ready to learn in that classroom and then if they are ready and or when they are ready and if it’s at a preschool age we can just send them across the hall right and we have a class there that supports them that developmental pre-k class yes um and so that’s kind of that that area is expanding for sure um but it’s it is about that gap in between because you can’t just send a child who’s been in one to one therapy out into a school without a transition plan that’s right so you have to be real careful yeah and you actually partner with that pre-k program the developmental pre-k program that you offer and who do you partner with yes so um grace life preschool has um right now one class probably next year at least two um and in those classes they’re overseen by a bcba so a board certified behavior analyst and they also have two line technicians in there as the aides fantastic so there’s a ton of support and um you know it’s been really great this year to see those kids really fly who maybe wouldn’t have done so well in a regular pre-k4 yeah 100 and one of the things we’re also doing today is we’re educating parents on on options and you actually have like a parent education program for uh parents of kids with uh special i don’t know if you’d say special needs i guess would be the proper term um even just parents who you know find themselves in a constant negative yeah you know don’t do that no if you do this then this is gonna happen and you know all of that and i mean i know as parents we get to that i feel like especially around christmas we start threatening santa and we start doing all these things you know it feels like the elves are going away they’re not gonna come back tomorrow if you’re bad yeah and then you know that’s not true i’m never gonna put coal in my kid’s stocking that would be a terrible christmas morning that would ruin everybody you know so it’s not about that either it’s about teaching behavior we want to see for the future not just constantly punishing yeah honestly if you get in this cycle of punishment you know it’s not helping anybody no um everyone’s miserable that’s right 100 so tell us about these parent education uh when you when you kind of train these parents on what they’re dealing with i would imagine no matter what work you do no matter how much quality it is if the child then goes home and and that is kind of unraveled maybe would be a word or or it’s not followed through at the home environment it makes it really difficult right sure and i mean i think at the same time we respect that parents are busy i mean most of these people are most of us are working each working we’re coming home it’s dark now at five and you’re like okay what am i supposed to do with my kid but this is about really incorporating it into your routines so we offer parent education um with our one-to-one comprehensive services for sure that’s a really really detailed way to do parent ed we also offer it just people call and say hey i would like to go through some parenting classes we do it that way we also do it in group settings so we offer it a couple times a year where you can just come and get kind of all the basics of aba and then we usually stay behind afterwards and answer questions fantastic and uh tell me about the social skills camps that you do yeah so we have one coming up in december it’s almost full but there’s a few spots left um but basically it is a class that we run that has kids who really are just peer models no issues um that just want to come and hang out and that’s great and then also kids who maybe struggle a little bit with making friends or maybe they used to be in comprehensive aba therapy they’ve been in school and now they just kind of need a little refresher some parents use it as a way to get us to like kind of spend some time with their kid and really get to know them um and so we get to do that as well and then we get to make recommendations after that of like hey i think he’s doing fine maybe you should try this or um things like that but honestly it’s a super great time though we have one that runs weekly through the fall and it’ll start back up in the spring yeah and then over summer and great 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you know you start in this program and maybe maybe you go to the pre-k program and stuff like that when does or is there an end to this to where you they end up going to regular school and things like that sure i think i think we have to remember that it’s a spectrum right yeah i’m sure yeah and what age we get the child in is different too so you know when we get two-year-olds or one-year-olds that may look really different from getting a five or six year old in um so sometimes kids stay in aba until they go they’re 12. i mean it could be older than that you know it depends on what skills they’re needing if they’re not if the classroom setting is not good for them public school private school doesn’t matter then we can advocate to keep them it depends on the goals of the parents and kind of where the child is at so when we start them we start with some goals and then we kind of systematically keep increasing those goals up we use um assessments that are based on um like the common core standards so we can really tell you hey this is where they’re at in math and this is where they’re at in reading but look their language is really low right and so we’re able to kind of give you the best predictor of you know what does that look like going into first grade or second grade or third grade so it just depends on the child like if they’re ready for that preschool setting early then we’ll try it if they’re not then we keep working on it sure and what is the i i guess cutoff age for there’s not or is there there’s not really cut off age i think most insurances won’t cover past 18. um right now we’re really equipped to take um our oldest is about to be seven so um that’s what we have now would i accept older than that for sure it just depends on the child and kind of what we’re equipped to do excellent excellent so right now you offer a very collaborative approach with regard to aba and keeping you know the family involved that’s important like we discussed earlier uh no matter how great the work is that you do it you know it really helps when it’s followed through at home and and it’s important that uh whatever training that you’re working with the children there is is kind of inactive then you and you work with the family and and kind of show them you know this is what we’re working on i would imagine yeah totally so we meet um quarterly at least we’re in constant communication especially for working on a lot of language goals um but yeah we try to really incorporate those goals into their daily life so some parents say hey i want my kids to bathe themselves potty training you know all those pieces that really really affect them yeah and those are things that we can help with and either walk them through how to um you know increase those skills or we can practice them here we practice a lot of tooth brushing and you know different things and then we can transfer it home um another big thing would be like sleep training so hey my kid doesn’t sleep in their own bed or they used to and now they don’t anymore so we work with that sometimes and also feeding so hey a lot of kids with autism have real limited diets certain color foods certain textures of foods just chick-fil-a i mean that’s a real popular one hey my kid will only need a chick-fil-a nugget well then what happens when on a sunday yeah what do you do what’s your plan i mean are we so it’s like expanding all the time they starve they buy it on saturday that’s right and you know it’s it one thing that’s important to mention here is look with what you just mentioned a lot of parents are gonna say oh they’re just picky eaters sure um um there were some things earlier that we discussed where uh you know like the eye contact a lot of people tie that up to they’re just shy yeah yeah and and there’s nothing to say they’re n that’s not the case but you know you really need someone uh with a lot of education behind them maybe to make that determination fully sure and it’s all about health too so i mean before i would work on a feeding goal i would make sure that the pediatrician are they gaining weight you know because they’re still kids they should be constantly increasing in weight and um but sometimes what happens there is we’ll feed them a ton like the doctor will say give them a lunch a pediatric well then they’re not hungry so then they’re eating no regular food yeah you know so some of it is like kind of a balance of hey yeah they’re getting the nutrition they need but we can teach them to get that through what your family’s eating because it’s not very easy to cook three meals at the end of the day anyway right for each kid that will eat something and then you you know so also easing that up too yeah very good now in your questionnaire you mentioned uh the wait to be credentialed for insurance was kind of it was a challenge to say the least let’s put it that way and insurance is a challenge to say the least even for people who have insurance and you know how that goes they code it wrong and next thing you know you got a 400 bill and you’re like wait a minute this is not yeah that’s a whole nother podcast but anyway it kind of brings me to my obvious question which is do you accept insurance and do your services require doctor referral in all cases or is it just if you’re paying with insurance so it depends um we accept most insurances most major insurance companies we are now credentialed with um still working on one last one but everything else is good um and so including medicaid and those different things um oh good in louisiana it’s a lot of blue cross so we tend to get a lot of those different policies it doesn’t require a doctor referral um if you don’t have insurance necessarily i don’t really have any or many private pay companies i mean private pay um patients because it’s so expensive yeah so most of them are in the either in a transition to try to hurry up and get a policy especially at this point in the year everyone’s policies are renewing in january they’re trying to figure out how everything works um and so yeah you don’t necessarily if you have insurance companies your insurance dictates what you need as a referral yeah so certain assessments done by the doctor certain um you know follow-up visits and which kind of doctor and so all that’s dictated by your insurance company yeah but the good news is you do take insurance and uh and so go who would you recommend uh someone go see if they if they have insurance and they’re concerned maybe there’s something going on who a neurologist would be who you’d recommend a neurologist um developmental pediatrician there’s one in town now they all have really long wait lists you’re not gonna act like they don’t yeah um if you’re pretty yeah you know it’s and you’re also gonna get a different evaluation based on each one so if you want the longer evaluation option then you should see a psychologist there are a few in town that are really really thorough um and so it just kind of depends what you want if you need it now and you need a hurry and you’re okay with you know neurologists doing it that’s great yeah then if you can get on the list and get in that sounds awesome yeah but there it’s gonna be a much quicker visit gotcha gotcha so there’s your answer right there listeners uh now i asked you for kind of a why statement i ask all my all my guests for something that i call a wise statement that just kind of explains you know their goal and why they do what they do and you’re say you said and i want to quote this because i really liked it you said to change the lives of children and their families by providing the most effective and efficient teaching possible every child can achieve amazing things and it’s my job to figure out how to support them it’s awesome i mean and it really does kind of sum up what you do and you can tell that you got a lot of heart there involved in that statement i also asked you about large influences in your life because i like to shout those people out you know they um they had a big influence on why you do what you do and i wanted to read that you said my professor mentor and friend grant gautreaux had the biggest influence on me professionally so shout out grant go true uh he has always believed in me and pushed me to be a better behavior analyst my dad terry root also had a giant impact on me personally and professionally taught me to go for my dreams suck it up when it gets hard push through i like that and to follow christ grace therapy center wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for him very good another thing i want to talk about is kofit and uh you know you opened up kind of shortly before that i’m not mistaken and right after covid basically yeah this year 2021 so it’s you know we kind of made it through all the shutdowns and stuff where we were previously and then um just decided to take a risk this year yeah how was that i mean it’s great a challenge it was a challenge but i don’t know if covid was the biggest challenge of that moment yeah um honestly i feel like we kind of lived through the worst of it and so now it was a time for people to get their kids back in services and so i feel like we were able to kind of open up an option for that yeah and you know the i say this all the time on this show but one of the positives to come out of that whole thing was the fact that it kind of forced business owners of all types to innovate and come up with uh solutions to run their business outside of what they were doing and through that some people actually found better ways to run their business i i can name off several but uh but you persevered you made it through and and you’re still here and that’s that’s the good thing now your work with kids takes place in a classroom setting uh and i want you to kind of tell us about the setting itself for those out there that may be wondering uh would with this we did discuss that it would take the place of school but is the is the classroom setting just that like what people would consider a typical classroom no it looks a little different especially right now so um we’re in grace life fellowship church right now they’re building a wing an addition for us so that will look very much like a classroom building which is great um but we’re in the beginning phases of that so right now actually what we’ve done is we’ve taken over the entire worship center which is huge and we have built divider wall classrooms so when i say classrooms it doesn’t look like you’re not gonna have a smart board and desks and those things we spend a lot of time on the floor playing remember we work with a lot of small children so our chairs and tables are very tiny um and so they all sit they each have their own workstation um so they’re a little more spread out than they would be in a classroom setting less kids per class but when they go play they’re all together and you know we spend a lot of time just running around on the floor awesome and and what it what how many kids per class on i know that varies but it’s i mean average yeah it i mean i try to keep like five or six kids in a space together um but that could change and grow as we honestly move the divider well sure yeah that’s right yeah you can always expand that very can do whatever i want i love it so i asked you to define a leader and you have the same definition i have and that is a leader is to serve so servant leadership it’s it’s uh it is leadership you’re really not a leader unless you’re giving back in some way shape or form the amazing thing about you is with what you do for a living you’re constantly giving back you’re giving back to all these all these kids with your knowledge and and what you do and the parents uh so another thing that uh business in general but especially your business i would imagine could take great advantage of especially with regard to explaining what you do is social media sure um how big a role has that kind of played on your business it was huge at first so um i kind of created a page and was like hope for the best yeah can i get one follow yeah exactly um and i think that parents like to see we’re not really allowed to currently show faces of our clients so it’s a little bit tricky to get the backs of their heads and be creative and cute but parents like to see us having fun they like to see that it’s a warm and you know welcoming environment they can see all those things and so yeah it’s been huge for us i think people have shared a lot and kind of gotten word of mouth especially for our social skills groups i think we’ve kind of reached some people that maybe we wouldn’t have reached before yeah just through social media yeah it’s a it’s a great platform for that and i’m a big believer in when you’re in a business where it requires some sort of understanding and explanation social media is a great way to do that and it’s also a great way to let people know you exist that you’re out there so people out there when you hear this podcast share it share it yeah share it with everybody because if one person sees it that did not realize that you existed or did not even realize this was an option now they do yeah so that’s the beautiful magic of that um i also wanted to bring up speaking of media and social media uh you’re going to be in a magazine here pretty soon yeah so they just released a blog post this week for us and um kind of our relationship with the church and the special needs ministry there um and so that went out this week and then um in january we’re gonna be in the um what’s it called the follow the leader i follow the leader group so um yeah it just basically tells a little bit about grace therapy and you know kind of what we’re doing over here so fantastic another great uh you know in 225 magazine i’m a big fan read it all the time and and what could be better you’re on local leaders and then you’re going to be you follow the leader so i think you’re officially a leader i mean it seems like everything you’re involved with has a word leader in it so that’s a good thing um one of the things we also do on this show is talk about fun facts and this is just kind of a way to let people know who you are a little bit a fun way of who you are outside of you know all the great things you’re doing with kids and i asked you about a yacht and you had said uh i don’t think i’m gonna ever get a you’re gonna buy a yacht even if i had all the money i don’t think i’d spend it on a yacht i don’t think i would either honestly but it’s a great question i don’t know what i would buy but definitely not a yacht maybe like a chef yeah home showers yeah there you go you know to make my life easier yeah it’s not going to make that easier but i did ask you uh super powers if you can have any superpower you remember what you said was it about flying over traffic yeah yeah so another thing we want to shout out is we brought up social media in your website uh do you have a website would be the first question shout out to that um grace and do you have a facebook which yes you do and what’s that grace therapy center you can go to google and punch you in grace therapy center but what we’re going to do is we’re going to link all of that to the description of this video and that way people don’t even have to write it down they can just go to the bottom click it it’s going to bring them to your website and and hopefully they’ll get all the information they need in order to make an informed decision so uh i do want to thank you for all the great work you’re doing uh it’s it’s needed it’s something that is uh requires someone as we said earlier with a lot of patients and a lot of understanding and you’re someone that has been working with kids your entire life right i mean you babysitting when you were little that’s yup that’s tough so uh shout out to you for that i do want to thank everyone out there for viewing and listening to local leaders please continue to 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